#54 Flogging Before Breakfast with Domina Lady Vyra

00:00:05: We also have a gang bang table, A group toilet session.

00:00:08: Sometimes I try out toys that i don't know.

00:00:11: in the studio There's some guests who would call it guanisa.

00:00:14: Yeah and then im reminded of just how great is to do this

00:00:17: as a job.

00:00:31: Hello and welcome to this next episode of Sex in Berlin, the English Episode.

00:00:37: And I'm very happy with this wonderful lovely spring morning... ...with a little bit of Berlin Sun which is totally rare!

00:00:44: We have sun today.. ..and i am here at my little pink studio Viara.

00:00:49: She's a dominatrix and she just entered the Studio and now sitting next me.

00:00:55: Hello and good Morning!

00:00:59: get up pretty early.

00:01:01: At what time do you wake up usually?

00:01:03: I usually wake up at, lately it's been the latest eight but today was about seven turned into quite a morning person

00:01:11: And there are different kinds of how you can start a morning.

00:01:15: Is that special kind of like domino work, which you can do in the morning or maybe you provide sometimes?

00:01:22: Yeah I actually do quite a few morning sessions...I came to that because i offer scat sessions and that I can only do on the morning.

00:01:31: but I wrote a blog about How Much I Love Morning Sessions recently Because I just realized- I Just love starting The Day Kinky!

00:01:39: So I've also done you know, like an edging session in the morning.

00:01:43: Teasing denial or even fisting and I think yeah recently i also did a flogging session In The Morning And I thought what a great way to start the day just getting of vlogging and having that energy going through You and bringing it with you into the Day.

00:01:58: So how does It Start?

00:02:00: Like practically someone rings at the door At your domino studio um at eight o'clock Or at What time.

00:02:08: Well, I'm not going to be there spontaneously at eight in the morning.

00:02:11: I'd probably more likely be at the gym or out having a coffee for that...I need to organize this session in advance and i've done it different ways.

00:02:22: sometimes I do it at the studio um and someone comes to the studio.

00:02:27: usually I start a session with uh preliminary talk if we haven't arranged everything over the phone through email in advance.

00:02:36: and I ask what kinds of things are you looking for this session?

00:02:40: What're your taboos, is there anything special that need to know about health or body.

00:02:45: And then after the person takes a shower just freshens up.

00:02:51: How long was the average session?

00:02:53: I'd say that average session is one to two hours for the beginning.

00:02:58: I have a couple of guests with whom, guest usually would've known it little bit longer than i had done upto forty-eight hours.

00:03:04: Okay and this you do maybe in hotel or also studio.

00:03:09: Yeah!

00:03:10: In the studio I haven't done forty eight hours...I have been full day at the studio but when I'm over nights they're usually bened a hotel or also at a private home with someone that I know and trust.

00:03:22: And then you play the whole time?

00:03:24: Or how does it work

00:03:25: in those cases when It's really been not long, i'd say...I'm thinking of different examples because I have different guests who like different things..i Have one guest with whom we have kind of intense play sessions two to three hours ,and Then We go and have lunch together and hang out a bit.

00:03:45: And then later we'll play again really intensely, so almost like different sessions during the day.

00:03:51: Then between this session kind of being on eye level eating together or maybe going for walk?

00:03:58: I have another guest with whom he's my object for the entire time.

00:04:03: So... We've gone to dinner before but it is almost full-time enrolment.

00:04:10: But this session isn't quite as intense, is the other guest I'm thinking about.

00:04:15: So...I'd say that i don't have one way of doing it and really like to tailor it for a person who's meeting

00:04:20: me.

00:04:20: How much do you think in advance on what you are doing?

00:04:24: Or more spontaneously or make some plans or notes.

00:04:28: how does it work?

00:04:29: I am actually pretty nerdy And I take a lot of notes and i like to plan.

00:04:34: I also love spontaneous sessions, um...I would say spontaneous sessions happen on the days where I have uh calendar day at this studio when I'm just sitting there and someone might write or come by and say oh I'm interested in a little bit of anal-a little bit nipple plate something a little more general.

00:04:53: then it's quite nice to do it spontaneously.

00:04:56: Or often I'm on tour In another city.

00:05:00: I'd say the majority of my sessions in other cities tend to be spontaneous sessions, but i also have guests with whom I plan sometimes months in advance.

00:05:09: A few who send me quite elaborate fantasies and then I like to plan them.

00:05:14: They're sent via email or text?

00:05:17: Or...I

00:05:17: usually ask for it by e-mail.

00:05:19: Sometimes we talk about it And then I asked for an E-mail because I liked to have details there scenarios for that.

00:05:27: Sometimes it's involved other people, or sometimes involved going to a different location or something like that?

00:05:34: Or maybe something like a kidnapping where I might have to involve someone else.

00:05:38: Something

00:05:39: like a kidnapping

00:05:40: sounds so... So i'd like to take a lot of notes about that and plan in often- I'll start the session exactly how I planned it.

00:05:49: I sometimes work with notes and a plan so that later, i can improvise having pictured it all in my head first almost like i've written a dramaturgy or narrative.

00:06:00: And then because i can picture it in my hand ,i can stray from it and improvise.

00:06:06: Can you maybe describe the session?

00:06:08: Like what exactly is at what to do ?

00:06:11: Maybe you can describe What happens?

00:06:14: For me, it sounds very different every time.

00:06:16: It sounds like the people who they have very different wishes and you're providing very special specialties or things which are not everyday the same.

00:06:28: Yeah

00:06:29: that's true.

00:06:30: I see very broadly...I'd say i see different sessions as kind of having different qualities.

00:06:36: so now im going to make some generalizations.

00:06:41: BDSM session that I offer, that's maybe a little bit like body work.

00:06:46: Like someone who might want almost like a BDSS massage—like a flogging could be a massage or something like that —something that moves the energies in the body or even uses bondage as a way to sort of surrender into their body?

00:07:02: Or there are also sessions where they're more psychological –a role play–that would take somebody on a journey which is more mental Maybe more narrative.

00:07:13: Yeah, I think there's probably different categories that i would work with which is something I'd like to think about a little bit more.

00:07:20: maybe and see you know it's almost like choose your own adventure.

00:07:22: what kind of journey would you like to have?

00:07:25: sometimes when someone writes to me I ask them can you describe to me what you'd like experience in the session?

00:07:32: And then based on what they tell me...I sort of craft this session around And I think i do see it as a craft, the craft of working with the body and also creating and fulfilling fantasies.

00:07:45: Maybe that's a broad way to describe my work.

00:07:47: is like somehow...I do see yeah..the craft of fulfilling fantasys.

00:07:53: maybe would be one way that I'd described my work?

00:07:55: And you work in a very big dominatrix studio in Atrium.

00:07:59: um how does it going on there?

00:08:02: Like How Do You Work There?

00:08:03: ?

00:08:03: So Everyone that works there, the sort of different categories.

00:08:07: There are people who were guests or just they're every now and then And then there are people that are just there occasionally?

00:08:15: I guess i'd call it The Core Team Of People That Are There A Couple Times a Week.

00:08:19: So everyone can enter in the calendar days They like to be there In the times.

00:08:24: we have four different shifts.

00:08:27: You Can Enter Those Shifts Yourself And there's sort of a co-working space.

00:08:34: We have a break room where there is a co working space, basically and usually when I go there if i don't have sessions...I answer emails.

00:08:44: sometimes I try out toys that I dont know in the studio

00:08:48: For example?

00:08:49: Which kind of toys?

00:08:50: we have different kinds of furniture That you know..when first started doing session it was quite often on bed for example because I still do.I use my body a lot and one thing i love about atrium is we have all this really fascinating furniture, so ill try it out different ways.

00:09:10: you can fix people in the chair or a flesh & soup where u can hang someone upside down by their feet.

00:09:20: We also have gang bang table So sometimes Ill tryout the furniture.

00:09:24: We also have an entire wall with different boxes that have things like dildos in it or different kinds of handcuffs.

00:09:33: So sometimes I'll explore a little bit what's in the studio and yeah, Sometimes i give myself the challenge to use something new when a session otherwise It gets a little repetitive always used the same toys.

00:09:44: so...I'd like to sometimes incorporate Something I haven't used yet Or something I hadn't used in awhile.

00:09:50: For me it sounds a little bit like theater.

00:09:53: You do something creative, you have an idea of what kind experience you want to take someone through and you have surrounding which you provide that connects with the theme.

00:10:05: so... What would you say?

00:10:07: What kind of creative things can be taken from other parts?

00:10:13: how is it made, what you're doing like from the inside?

00:10:17: Well I have a theater and dance background.

00:10:20: And i think that contributes directly to my work.

00:10:24: with my dance background-I think these tools of embodiment that I learned as a dancer... I very much bring into my own work.

00:10:32: How am I in my body?

00:10:34: How do I interact with another body?

00:10:36: How do I move with a body or move A-body more actively?

00:10:40: And, With my theatre background.

00:10:42: I think of sessions as a kind of insinirong.

00:10:46: There's words that i can't remember how to say in English

00:10:49: Wonderful You're so long

00:10:53: But it is somehow like creating a performance and the way always saw performance when did was not necessarily You know, not as something fake.

00:11:02: I'm performing something but a very embodied way of perceiving the space that i'm in and so for me The Way That I Perceived My Body In Space During A Performance.

00:11:13: Is This Inner Vision And Kind Of Proprioception Where Am I Standing?

00:11:19: And The Sensations In My Body How The Audience Or The Other Person is Perceiving Me And Then Also Kindof A Meta View Of The Scene From Above.

00:11:28: That's somehow the way that I understood my body on a stage and performance, And i would say it is in some ways something I bring with me to a session.

00:11:38: Now I don't know if a guest will notice this or not but its important they do.

00:11:42: But I feel like how I hold space into a performance Is similar to what I'd hold space for In a certain extent and I find that really fulfilling.

00:11:55: I stopped doing performance a while ago and Doing this work really fulfills something that Doing artistic work fulfilled for me.

00:12:04: And it happens so often That i have a session, particularly in group sessions where I'm somehow seeing from above like look what's happening?

00:12:15: This magical strange totally hot scene is happening right now when I am standing in It!

00:12:21: Yeah, and then I'm reminded of just how great it is to do this as a job.

00:12:28: Yes somehow really euphoric in certain moments about look at the scene that i'm in...I can't believe that This Is Such A Big Part Of My Life And It's My Job.

00:12:36: Sounds very wonderful!

00:12:38: So In The Studio you Can Also Have Like Sessions With More People.

00:12:42: How Does It Work Then?

00:12:43: Mm-hmm

00:12:44: yeah..i would say That'Sa Specialty Of This Studio That I work.

00:12:47: We have....I don'T know how many specials we have now but five or six specials.

00:12:51: you can come to the studio and be our toilet for a day, Or You Can Come And Be Our List Object Like Our Sex Object That A Bunch Of People Use For Their Pleasure.

00:13:02: We Also Have A Spanking Special.

00:13:04: You Can Be Spanked By Different People And Then Placed In The Corner.

00:13:09: Someone Will Come And Spank You And Then You're Placed in The Corner Waiting And Then Fifteen Minutes Later Someone Else Will Come.

00:13:16: Um... we also have a Voyeur Special and there's different options.

00:13:20: There you can watch people playing without being involved, it's like your little mouse in the corner.

00:13:27: I think we have one or two more specials...I can't remember them right now.

00:13:32: People either book them in advance by writing an email, there's a team of us that organize the specials or because those people who have calendar days sometimes it happens spontaneously.

00:13:45: That someone says hey can I come and be your sex object?

00:13:50: And we're like, sure.

00:13:52: You can come in an hour and then it's the same thing as when a session starts.

00:13:56: what are your desires?

00:13:58: Which gender would you like?

00:13:59: there is people of all genders working at this studio?

00:14:02: What do your taboos basically questions that usually quite similar about those things?

00:14:07: Yeah, what could be take from your kind work for our home place?

00:14:14: so I think you have some much experience And normally people when they are at home with someone, their kids and then make out.

00:14:25: Then they're bored or not bored.

00:14:27: but what would you recommend as a... As somebody who is really working with bodies in all kind of ideas?

00:14:37: What could you recommend for me?

00:14:40: home relationships.

00:14:42: Well, one thing I think of a session as a kind of ritual right?

00:14:46: There's an intention we're going to do this and then there is like beginning in end time.

00:14:51: And i do think ritualizing sex or ritualizing play Is something that ive even taken into my own personal life .I guess with people playing or having sex at home what can be hard the everyday problems come into bed room which could really become a boner killer.

00:15:10: And so, yeah somehow creating a ritual space I think is you know separating that little bit.

00:15:16: It's probably my biggest takeaway and maybe advice for people doing it at home?

00:15:21: You did the workshop an I intended and was about death and mourning... ...and you told us story with your colleagues who were mourning a client.

00:15:32: So maybe Tell me a little bit more, how do you work with the other people?

00:15:36: For example in this studio?

00:15:37: are there colleagues and How is their relationship to clients for longer?

00:15:43: Yeah, I found that a really beautiful... That was also the first or second year.

00:15:49: And there's this little morning ceremony we did for our guest and it kind of blew me away because i thought that is the last thing anyone would think people are doing in a Domina studio remembering clients of theirs?

00:16:02: Because many can't imagine maybe their care and even friendship behind those relationships at least didn't think about them before colleagues.

00:16:13: We have quite, and not with every colleague but there's a few colleagues I really have an intimate relationship with.

00:16:19: it's the job where we're working with a lot of intimacy .We see each other's bodies ,we've seen each other in all kinds of different situations...and yeah i think i've never had another job.

00:16:34: Because you know, on one hand I do think sex work is a job like any other.

00:16:42: And then...I have different relationships with guests too some people i just see once and we probably come in-and out of each others minds very quickly Like a very fleeting kind of relationship but also remember that there were maybe we met two or three times and they stopped coming for one reason of the other.

00:17:03: And I remember someone saying, you know... We've only met a few times but you changed my life forever which really touched me!

00:17:10: Then i have people that i see more regularly who don't know much about their lives.

00:17:15: so then there are some guests where i know quite a bit about them.

00:17:20: Where it's almost like a semi-private relationship.

00:17:27: Maybe you can describe this morning session a little bit more because I know the story, but the listeners maybe not.

00:17:33: So there was someone who used to come into the studio almost always for group sessions and so it's.

00:17:42: There's some guests I would call a guanisa, someone who just comes and enjoys.

00:17:46: And I remember this person coming to the studio and being like, ah!

00:17:51: Just enjoying all these women pissing on him or using them as their toilet...I think i was in two sessions with this person?

00:18:02: He is regular of one my colleagues.

00:18:05: she found out that he'd died because she hadn't seen him for a while and he'd been quite a regular client.

00:18:11: And, I think was quite well known for something.

00:18:14: so she looked up his name found out that he had died then told us at the studio arranged kind of ceremony where we got together in a circle seven or eight people And we popped a bottle of champagne and went around the circle, just exchanged memories about him.

00:18:35: Then we sort-of toasted to Him…and wished Him off with these beautiful memories We had of

00:18:43: Him.".

00:18:44: I found that so touching because you know it's someone who i'm sure...I don't what his personal situation was but maybe his family who cleaned out His things.

00:18:55: I don't know, but i'm guessing they maybe wouldn't celebrate that side of his life and... ...I found it really beautiful.

00:19:01: That we were able to have closure for us.

00:19:04: you know even if its someone where not privately seeing as a friend or lover It's some one who shared this intensity with.

00:19:11: there are emotions on our sides too sometimes You know?

00:19:15: And so.. We're able kind let the person go and also celebrate him For his kinky side mourning this person and their fullness, you know not just for the public facing socially acceptable persona but also forbidden kinky side of them.

00:19:35: And that's a thought I found really beautiful.

00:19:38: Let us go little bit deeper in this part.

00:19:43: is sex work normal, or not?

00:19:45: Because how does it feel for you and what do provide are things which are not totally common in society to being a toilet for someone.

00:19:53: It's not something everyone is talking about the news.

00:19:57: so

00:19:57: yeah

00:20:00: So but there are lots of people who have wishes fantasies or kings Which like they're People Like Things And To Try Things Out.

00:20:11: How Do You Feel About Sex Work?

00:20:13: Is it maybe, is not every day the same?

00:20:15: or how do you feel about?

00:20:17: Yeah.

00:20:18: The way that I feel personally with my job –I don't think i'm speaking for everyone but some of this resonates with other sex workers– there are elements elements that make it very much not a normal job.

00:20:34: The very normal elements are things like paperwork, I have so much paper work to do everything that someone who is self-employed has to do with keeping receipts and baguette casso and all of that.

00:20:50: And also things like advertising maintaining a website communication with clients Also keeping myself trained and up to date on my skills, taking a flogging workshop or in the weekend I was at a wheel of consent workshop.

00:21:05: Bondage courses also learning new skill so that job doesn't get boring for me.

00:21:12: And then what is?

00:21:16: maybe it's not like any other.

00:21:20: there are really a lot of intimacy There that probably most people don't see, maybe some people don' t see at all.

00:21:29: Maybe not even their partner or they're closest friends and then I hold space for

00:21:34: that.".

00:21:35: And actually that's something i really love about the job.

00:21:40: but what makes it out of the ordinary?

00:21:45: That is kind-of not typical...and also sometimes Shame that the person who's expressing their desire is battling with can sometimes be challenging.

00:22:00: Sometimes people might book a session and then not show up in The Last Moment because I'm suspecting it's because they get ashamed at The Last moment or really nervous, Or you know...can't communicate well still kind of working through accepting this part Of themselves.

00:22:17: That could sometime be challenging.

00:22:18: i think have enough experience now to sort of Know what im dealing With.

00:22:22: But yeah, that makes it different than other jobs I think.

00:22:27: Let me say intimacy or also that people are telling you things which maybe not so many people knows about them, Or even they know it's themselves.

00:22:36: It sounds like therapy a little bit like parts of it.

00:22:41: So theater, therapy and body work.

00:22:44: There're many elements coming together.

00:22:46: Yes definitely And while I wouldn't call myself therapist i don't have the training for that is in combination with therapy, very therapeutic to come for a session.

00:22:58: And I think people tell me that it's kind of their alternative form of therapy.

00:23:04: Also its quite similar to coaching somehow accompanying someone through the processes and life.

00:23:12: So let's talk about this shame thing and why it is maybe also healthy for society to live kings open or like, be allowed to have different kind of sexuality.

00:23:26: And what is important?

00:23:28: To look at... What do you learn?

00:23:31: Like how could people change and maybe how.. Is it also important for whole society to have an open and not restrictive, forbidden and hidden sexuality.

00:23:44: I think there's a couple aspects that i could talk about...I think they're certain practices which are very shameful for people who haven't gone deeper into exploring their sexuality.. I work mostly with men but sometimes I'm surprised at how much the shame of experiencing anal pleasure is for men.

00:24:08: I sometimes, because for me it's such a normal part of life...I forget how much shame there is around that but there really

00:24:15: is.".

00:24:30: Lonely man because they can also have like sex every time with other lonely men and don't have to be violent against women Because they will play more with their.

00:24:41: So I really liked this theory.

00:24:45: What would you wish for all dominatrix or sex workers?

00:24:49: Like how could we as a society Have different view on this kind of work.

00:24:57: what would it change in the society if we were not finger pointing or some people are fingerprinting.

00:25:02: And now, you also have this initiative and The Bundestag that gets maybe also forbidden again like a Northern land.

00:25:12: so What is in it for the Society when accept sex work and really embrace what it can bring us.

00:25:20: I mean one thing that i think would be really important is to get over the stigma of paying someone for it, even in my friend group of pretty open-minded friends...I would say..i even encounter that stigma of maybe a very sort of deep belief of sex should be free?

00:25:39: And if its not there's something dirty or wrong about.

00:25:43: And I would say that's something that really needs to change because the people offering that, you know especially at this studio.

00:25:50: No one has been forced into doing sex work there and everyone who works their enjoys it is yeah getting over that deep belief that sex should be free.

00:25:58: That's a job and requires training and skills.

00:26:04: The People Who Do It are able bring together into their own, uh kind of work and everyone does it so differently.

00:26:12: You know I've also booked a callboy myself And consume different types of sexwork.

00:26:17: not Everyone sees a tantra massage as sex work.

00:26:21: i do when i don't but i've done that have been to strip clubs i think.

00:26:25: Also getting over the taboo Of maybe trying at once you Know Maybe consuming sex Work in some way Some kind of session And I think that was helpful for me.

00:26:38: You know, even having done sex work for a long time... ...I realized i still had A little bit of taboo For quote unquote paying for something.. ..I could get free On a dating app or hook up with someone Or go to play party.

00:26:51: It's really very different from me To book a callboy and it just felt so good To be like- I want do this Booked in at couple times.

00:27:03: What is good about?

00:27:04: Because its clear.

00:27:06: I loved the clear arrangement.

00:27:10: And, you know...I assume that this person is going to do a session as much as i would hear my desires and really try to create space for it!

00:27:24: It also felt good getting over my own taboo of it.

00:27:27: I think some people might have that taboo of paying for it because of the shame like, oh you know how pathetic of me.

00:27:33: or um i should be able to get this for free.

00:27:37: Or yeah...I think kind of getting over my own stereotype which i would say is very female socialized-of..i pay for things that are wellness a massage a manicure hair cut stuff like that.

00:27:52: but why wouldn't i pay for sex?

00:27:55: I could see it as wellness or just sex.

00:27:57: Why do i make that difference there?

00:27:59: And then, maybe because in the media...I hadn't seen a lot of examples on how to do

00:28:04: this.

00:28:05: One part is about paying for their work so you can sometimes provide something and get paid like every other thing every other task you provide for the people.

00:28:27: How is it with men and women?

00:28:31: You just said that most of your clients are man, why do they come out?

00:28:38: Because we live in a patriarchal society full-of toxic very rich men which destroy the world in front us.

00:28:48: What is this female and male in your work?

00:28:51: I think on one hand, I work with men mostly because i don't do specific advertising for women.

00:28:57: For flinta but it's not...I would say maybe ninety percent man ten percent woman.

00:29:04: so

00:29:04: if women now want to come to you yes they really should.

00:29:07: Yes!

00:29:07: I love sessions with women And particularly of sessions with couples where I've done what I call play coaching.

00:29:15: So its a normal session.

00:29:18: it's almost always that the woman doesn't allow herself to be as dominant, is her male partner would like.

00:29:25: And so I kind of play with a man and she's allowed to observe or I invite her in.

00:29:31: Would you like do this with me?

00:29:33: Or what do think we should do next?

00:29:35: Kind of as way showing She doesn't need to be afraid to be sadistic...or she doesn't have to fear being mean Also not be afraid take to not always be serving and things like that.

00:29:52: I think that kind of socialization really runs very, very deep.

00:29:56: This sounds wonderful!

00:29:57: It's a wonderful Valentine's gift?

00:29:59: Yes

00:30:00: exactly yes it is.

00:30:03: Maybe a gift for Women's International Women's

00:30:05: Day.

00:30:06: Sounds really good.

00:30:08: That something i'd like more into with couples because I would say that's, yeah it's almost a little like a passion project.

00:30:15: i think It happens quite often That... Yeah maybe its the image of woman on herself You know?

00:30:21: Like what is.. Maybe just allowing yourself to be bad And that can be fun not only for her but also partner too Who may very much desiring She acting bad and sadistic and showing side of herself as something to be desired and worshipped and enjoyed.

00:30:42: Sounds very good.

00:30:43: Is there something you want to tell others, like a practical thing we can all use or what is something that you have learned which was nice to know?

00:30:56: Or would wish to know earlier about sex.

00:31:01: I think it doesn't need be perfect...or even awkward.

00:31:07: in sessions I've sometimes tried something and it hasn't quite worked.

00:31:12: You know, you're trying to create this situation where It's supposed to be really hot work perfectly stuff like that And sometimes just fails.

00:31:24: This is sort of the funny moment maybe of the job, I'm doing this as a job.

00:31:31: Yeah some of the awkward moments or you're really trying to make this session great and it's just not working the way you planned it?

00:31:37: And also being like okay!

00:31:40: You know even acknowledging that switching into something else... Maybe the guest would appreciate that.

00:31:47: Or may be saying hey It is kind of having flexibility for them to experiment so they don't have specific ideas of how it's supposed to work, remaining a little flexible allowing for the little failures and resetting.

00:32:04: And also not letting that break the mood.

00:32:07: I think um i do sometimes.

00:32:10: you know sometimes people will tell me their wishes for a session and say oh but I don't want to say too much.

00:32:15: uh You know?I Don't Want To Give You A Script Because Then It Won'T Be Interesting Or Something Like That.

00:32:20: And I Think... I Mean.. I Think I Can Make It Interesting Even If You Know more or less what's gonna happen.

00:32:28: So being creative have also the faith to fail sometimes, To laugh about maybe and also follow your fantasies.

00:32:38: And if you're not sure of what kind of fantasy do You ask a professional?

00:32:43: because for everything I go somewhere where people really know What they are doing.

00:32:48: so why not when i have a fantasy About sex?

00:32:52: It sounds very good To come with some desires to someone like you.

00:32:57: So I think it's a very good idea, not also only for Valentine's Day!

00:33:05: Thankyou very much.

00:33:06: i learned alot.

00:33:07: thank you

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